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| Author: | ATaylor [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:11 am ] |
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Typically I can find the answer to anything on Google. I'm having a hard time finding a site with some straightforward explanation on the differences between a 000 and an OM. Is an OM just a 000 w/ a 14-fret join? I think the OLF plans are nice and am interested in the OM plan... |
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| Author: | burbank [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:45 am ] |
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000 could be 12-fret or 14. OM, by some standards, has a 25.4 scale and a 1-3/4" wide nut and 14-fret 000 has a 24.9 scale and a 1-11/16" wide nut, but a 12-fret 000 would likely have a 1-3/4" or wider nut with the shorter scale. These are only general guidelines, except that I think you won't see a 12-fret OM by any standard. |
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| Author: | Laurent Brondel [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:45 am ] |
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There are two type of 000: - the long body one with the neck joining at the 12th fret - the short body one with the neck joining at the 14th fret Typically the 000 "short" body has a 24.9" scale and the "long" body one has a 25.4" scale. *But* the 0 and 00 with 12th fret body/neck joint usually have a 24.9" scale. The OM is a 000 "short" body, neck joining the body at the 14th fret, with the longer 25.4" scale. Also the OM usually has a larger neck, 1 3/4 at the nut and 2 1/4 string spacing the bridge (although the OM-18GE has 2 3/8 spacing at the bridge). Hope it's not too confusing… |
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| Author: | Laurent Brondel [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:46 am ] |
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Actually usually the 0, 00 and 000 12 fretters have a 1 7/8 nut width. |
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| Author: | burbank [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:52 am ] |
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I stand corrected: the longer body 12-fret 000 does have the longer scale. |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:28 pm ] |
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You're all making this too complicated. The OM has a 25.4" scale, a 1 & 3/4" nut, and a 14th-fret neck join. A OOO can have any of those properties, but it won't have all of them ('cause then it'd be an OM!). You can usually tell at a glance by the pickguard--the OM has a small, "teardrop" shape, and the OOO has a larger guard. Any exception to this would be a special order and shouldn't be considered in a discussion of standard models. |
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| Author: | ATaylor [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:14 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=laurent] There are two type of 000: - the long body one with the neck joining at the 12th fret - the short body one with the neck joining at the 14th fret Hope it's not too confusing…[/QUOTE] Brain spinning.... try... to... keep... up... Quick aside: Is the short body on the 14 fret so the bridge will sit more centered on the lower bout? |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:14 pm ] |
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This is an older post on a differnt guitar forum. 2006-01-26_231401_MARTIN_DIMENSIONS_FOR_FLAT_TOP_ACOUSTIC_GU ITARS.pdf |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:28 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=ATaylor] Quick aside: Is the short body on the 14 fret so the bridge will sit more centered on the lower bout?[/QUOTE] Nope, it's the other way around. The 12-fret neck puts the bridge in the lower-bout sweet spot. In order to keep "normal" body proportions, it's the neck that has to move "up" to achieve the 14th-fret join, dragging the bridge with it. |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:53 pm ] |
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Ok, they are the 'Martin' original models specs and I do have golden era Martin 00, OOO, and OM guitars that conform to them, and technically these definitions are right. However, for most of us not building Martin Guitars (that's all of us not called Martin) we tend to use OOO as shorthand for a 24.9" scale 12 fret, and OM for the 25.4" 14 fret. Let's not over complicate things. Colin |
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| Author: | SStallings [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:45 pm ] |
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There's a current and good discussion on this at MIMF entitled "X Brace Angle for a 000" |
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| Author: | Laurent Brondel [ Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:51 pm ] |
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Actually some OMs from the '30 have long guards… |
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| Author: | Wayne Clark [ Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:36 am ] |
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Alan, Here is another link to an article on the topic. The OM style guitar |
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